When Prophets Speak “As Men”

It appears that with the church being a little more open with its histories and doctrines (as if they were not open before), many people do not know how to reconcile the mistakes prophets have made in the past with a prophet’s divine calling. How can someone “called of God” ever make any mistakes at all? Better yet, how do we know when a prophet is “speaking as a man” and when he is speaking God’s words? Turns out Deuteronomy made this very easy for us (chapter 18):

21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoked?

22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Pretty straightforward, but what if we dig a little deeper?

What is the purpose of a prophet? God has made a habit of calling prophets throughout the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Why? What does He want them to do?

A quick search through the Topical Guide takes you right to Prophets, Mission of. There you will find a lot of references basically saying that God calls prophets to speak His words to the people. It’s all: “warn the wicked” (Ezekiel 3:19), “whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak” (Jeremiah 1:7), and “he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets” (Amos 3:7). In other words, a prophet is a messenger from God. For more info, check out the Bible Dictionary on the subject.

What’s the message? What are his secrets? What does God want from us?

As God is our Father in Heaven, he pretty much wants what’s best for us (Moses 1:39). We lived with him before this life and we came here to be tested, to see if we would follow him in faith, with no memory of our existence before. Through prophets, he tells us how to return to him. Prophets teach us the gospel, and if we choose to follow it, we can return and live with God again.

The gospel basically comes down to five things (see 3 Nephi 27:13-22): faith in Jesus Christ, repentance of sins, baptism (making a covenant to follow the gospel), receiving the Holy Ghost (a guide to help us follow the gospel), and enduring to the end (continuing to repent and follow the Holy Ghost). I think it’s interesting to note that the prophet Alma taught his priests to teach “nothing save it were repentance and faith on the Lord, who had redeemed his people” (Mosiah 18:20).

Anytime a prophet speaks completely outside of this gospel message, in my view, there is a possibility he is “speaking as a man.” That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t listen when he does speak outside of this message. I feel this message can be woven into many things we deal with in life. In my experience, I have never regretted following a prophet’s counsel. I am happier when I do. The prophets has taught me to be financially responsible, prepared for disasters, responsible for my actions, and morally clean.

If the prophet were ever to teach something contrary to the gospel, something that negated it, that would be a huge red flag, and he would probably be “removed.” Everything else, we have to reconcile ourselves and decide what to do.

I think prophets these days are trying to be a lot more careful with what they say, because of the backlash that has come about from what prophets have said “as men” in the past. Just recently I learned that prophet Joseph Fielding Smith is greatly ridiculed for teaching the human race would never reach the moon. He said the earth was our sphere and if we would ever be able to travel to other worlds and find out that we had the same savior they did it would destroy the need for faith.

Seems like a sound line of thinking to me considering we were sent to earth to be tested by faith in the first place. President Smith was going off of his own understanding and experience and drawing conclusions. We are encouraged to do that in the church. I can see that God didn’t think it a big deal to send that prophet a revelation and correct him, because the prophet was about to find out anyway, and it didn’t affect the faith and repentance message at all.

I once heard my dad say, “Quoting dead prophets is a sign of apostasy.” He was not saying we should completely ignore prophets that came before. Great perspective and insight can come from reading and learning about them. I do think that when we cite an old prophet’s teachings as absolute doctrine we cut ourselves off from updates from heaven. It doesn’t matter if we are using the material to defend or condemn the church. As an absolute piece of doctrine, it stops revelation. By doing this we are basically saying the same thing most other churches believe: God doesn’t talk to us anymore and we have everything we need in what he’s already given. That’s not how it works.

God gives us updates through prophets. They are messengers after all. Thankfully, the church is welcome to updates, as we can see in our history, but these updates often take longer than what we have patience for. Part of the reason the changes take so long, I would think, is that the prophet and his apostles are trying to make sure they are not speaking as men and that they really are speaking for God.

If you’ve ever tried to receive inspiration from heaven on a personal level, differentiating between what you want and what God is trying to tell you can be difficult and take time. In my own life, as I try to follow what I feel inspired to do, I realize that my journey changes course unexpectedly and I don’t end up where I thought I was going in the first place. I get updates. Could that be the case for the church today as well?

I’m a firm believer in a strong attempt at gospel living as taught by the prophets. Outside of gospel living, I think all of us, including prophets, are learning as much as we can as we go along. If you looked at the Bible Dictionary under Prophet, it defines prophets generally as “anyone who has a testimony of Jesus Christ by the Holy Ghost.” That excerpt sheds an interesting light on Numbers 11:29: “would God that all the Lord’s people were prophets.”

Hey look, prophets!


Russ Cardon graduated from BYU in English, currently works as a technical writer, and has been a member of the church for 18 years.

13 thoughts on “When Prophets Speak “As Men”

  1. Mance

    I’ve just got to ask, do you ever get tired of having to constantly make up stuff to defend the mistakes of the church?

    I mean, you now give yourself the authority to say a prophet can only declare these three things in these five categories. Then, you hedge yourself by saying that even when the prophet is speaking outside of these things, we should still listen to him.

    I won’t even bring up D&C1:38 because I’m not ready for the incredible mental gymnastics I will need to listen to in order to understand why that scripture doesn’t mean what it actually says.

    If we have the fullness of the Gospel, if there’s nothing else we don’t know in order to be saved, and this is all that you say a prophet should be allowed to speak about on behalf of the Lord, then why do we even have prophets anymore?

  2. Mance

    I’m convinced the only way you can reconcile truth to the teachings of Mormonism is to ignore the principal meaning of words and assume the less obvious, counterintuitive meaning of words.

    1. Russell

      I don’t get tired of it. Just trying to give perspective.

      I wasn’t trying to give myself authority. Again, just trying to offer a perspective of how I look at the issue. I didn’t say we should listen to him. I said I do because in my experience that has always been better than the alternative. If you don’t want to listen to the prophet, that’s your decision.

      We have the fulness of the gospel, but in my view people have so many interpretations of how to live the gospel, and a prophet helps us understand what to do. Times and people change and the message of the gospel adapts so other people can understand it and live it.

      I’m not trying to say what the prophet can and can’t talk about. I’m just addressing what people have said about past prophets and maybe why the prophet is trying to be more careful with what he says today.

      I hope those mental gymnastics weren’t too rough for you.

  3. Daniel

    This post seems to fly in the face of what Adam says in the endowment session, “I exhort you to give strict heed to their counsels and teachings, they will lead you in the way of life and salvation.”

  4. Daniel

    Sixth: The prophet does not have to say “Thus saith the Lord” to give us scripture.

    Sometimes there are those who haggle over words. They might say the prophet gave us counsel but that we are not obligated to follow it unless he says it is a commandment. But the Lord says of the Prophet Joseph, “Thou shalt give heed unto ALL his words and commandments which he shall give unto you” (D&C 21:4; italics added).

    -I know Benson is a dead prophet, so it’s apostasy to even use his words, but how do you reconcile this with what you just wrote?

    1. Russell

      I don’t think it flies in the face of that statement at all. A prophet helps us understand how to obtain salvation. So yeah, we should listen to them.

      The apostasy part was just to demonstrate it is important to pay attention to what the current prophet is saying, because that is where the revelation is currently coming from. Past prophets received revelation for past peoples. Things change and it’s important to stay updated.

  5. Daniel

    Fourth: The prophet will never lead the Church astray.

    President Wilford Woodruff stated: “I say to Israel, The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as president of the Church to lead you astray. It is not in the program. It is not in the mind of God.” (The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, selected by G. Homer Durham [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1946], pp. 212-213.)

    – this is where you redefine what the word “astray” means.

  6. Daniel

    22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

    – So, to whom doesn’t this apply?

    That means ANYONE who has claimed to be a prophet and got a prediction or two correct (but many more incorrect) is someone you’d follow?

  7. Russell

    Not just anyone. We have a pretty straight forward way of knowing who the prophet is, and I understand that prophet is an imperfect man.

    No, I won’t just follow anyone.

    1. Daniel

      But the Bible (and this blog) says you will know a prophet speaks God’s word if his prophecy comes true. Mormonism isn’t the only religion where a self-claimed prophet made a correct prediction.

  8. Taryn Fox

    I personally wish you had told me this sooner. I spent most of my life making myself miserable trying to follow the words of the prophets. I believed I was bisexual because I had masturbated, just like Spencer Kimball said in The Miracle of Forgiveness (given to me by my bishop), and that it was truly better for me to be dead than to have committed this awful sexual sin.

    If I had just known that my feeling hopeless and miserable disproved their prophecies, that God would assist me to do what they ordered me to and that their orders were given for my happiness, I could have saved myself years of torment.

    I think you should tell everyone that you know that they should test to see if a prophecy is true, or if obeying a commandment makes them and others happier, and know that it’s not of God if they aren’t. I think a lot of people are hurting themselves in ways they can never repair, because they are not doing so.

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